Adobe - 2 Years (and a Half) Later - Great Stuff!

So here we are a few years later and Adobe didn't implode!

On the contrary! Adobe is doing just fine and dandy. As a matter of fact, I personally have been using this software collection more and more. Even for things I didn't want to. 

Yes, here we are in 2015. The last post was sometime in 2013 and I have been slacking on the blog so to speak. I know! Here are some updates not just about Adobe, but also about the favorite industry I am in. Yes, you guessed right; the "stock footage industry". 

Well, you may already know, or maybe not, but Adobe has bought into this wonderful industry! They bought a little company formerly known as Fotolia. Well, it is still called that with the main difference being that currently on the home page of Fotolia, there is the ever- and infamous Adobe icon. So why do you care? Why do I care? 

Simply put; it's yet another revenue stream for my stock footage biz. Yup... imagine all of my stock footage available from within every app that can use stock footage, photo, illustrations etc. From Adobe of course, and only in the next gen of CC (currently CC2015 - maybe they'll call it CC2016 or something smart like that.) All I can say is YES! This will be super cool. 

So you are reading this and haven't a clue what this all means. I get you. And I have a great solution for you as well to get on board. Hop on over to stockmediaartist.com and get an insider's guide to getting started in this industry. There is even an e-book available over there that can be used as a guide on how to get going in this particular biz. And yes, your's truly is the author. But I must warn you, it was written a couple of years ago, so some data may not be applicable today. I'll give a few examples of what such stuff may be:

1. Camera information - the industry has moved quite fast since the writing of the e-book. Hence, there is no way to keep up with all this. Hence, there is of course a blog to continue on for the e-book. As an example, you won't a whole heck of a lot about 4K in the book, yet there is explanations of how I did 4K before it even became prevalent. But it really makes no difference. The fundamentals haven't changed regarding content delivery, type of content etc. 

2. Stock footage agencies listing - Yes. This has changed in regards to what I write towards the end of the book. But have no fear. You can find out more about the better agencies that have truly progressed over the last couple of years as well as some that are no longer. 

3. As I said, the fundamentals of filming, photographing, producing, illustrating and all that great creative stuff has not changed, and most likely will never change. What changed or always will change, for the better we hope, are the tools. Whether equipment or software, they are getting so much more powerful. But always remember; it's the person behind the use of such equipment and tools that makes it all happen. 

Adobe's Alien Invasion Continues Not on all Cylinders

Where is the Weak Link? Dammit!

Just to preface this, I am trying to stay positive as hell regarding Adobe and their Alien Tactics. But it is getting a bit old... rewind.... Just to preface this, I am trying to stay positive as hell regarding Adobe and their Alien Tactics. But it is getting a bit old... rewind...

That is how the average user feels when they try to contact Adobe's support, whether it be through online chat or via telephone. In a nutshell, Adobe's customer service/support is going awry and to put it bluntly, royally sucks.

I know. I know. I promoted the positive side of the Creative Cloud in the last video, but that did not cover the "what if something goes wrong with the installation or launching of app" issue.

To be honest, I had a couple of issues with Photoshop CC initially. Then with Premiere Pro. And yes. Both of those issues were resolved fairly quickly. But the pattern continues... Now it is with Dreamweaver.

Hey! I Really Mean No Harm

Yes, we are now running at about a 25% "oops, this Sh^t ain't workin' right". I am sure that this will all be resolved soon, but in the mean time, and for those that are impatient... well. Adobe's take is very laid back and we don't give a Sh^t at this point. They lack in any sense of customer service that makes any sense. It seems they had "How to say you're sorry class 101" for all their employees. But that phrase does not a problem solve.

It is so bad, that their peeps can't even do simple telephone transfers anymore. I was on hold for about 20 minutes after being told in the chat session that this problem was beyond them and that I needed to talk to the "real" tech support people. Come again? The "real"???? what???

So as a loyalist, I called. By the way a number that is nowhere to be found on Adobe's ginormous site. Was on hold as I said... then after going through the whole verification of me being a valid CC subscriber, and having stated my case, the fellow with a strong accent told me that he will have to put me through and connect me to technical support. What? I thought this was technical support!

So he politely asked if he could put me on hold while he connects me to the proper people. I agreed. Several minutes went by. He got back on the line and said "Okay, I am going to connect you now." Remember, this was about half an hour in now...

"Thank you for calling Adobe. Our office hours are from... blah blah blah... Please call back during these hours.'

End Game

At this point I am fantasizing about having the CEO of Adobe in my office, tied to a chair and making him experience the total crap his people are doing. Yes. It's a fantasy that I am sure many have had.

But this simple fact about lousy customer service is starting to nibble away at the giant. And it is unfortunate. You see, Adobe can not use the excuse of "growing pains" at this point. They are too old and experienced for this even happen. It shouldn't period! But the money people are on this simple issue already. And by money people I mean the investment community. You know. Those guys on Wall Street.

They are publishing some not so nice headlines:

It's Time to Go Sour on This Software Company

The Motley Fool Blog Network

Sell Adobe: Potential 25% Downside

Seeking Alpha

Adobe's Candy Coated Earnings Report

The Motley Fool Blog Network

and on a more positive note and perhaps a bit optimistic. Hey! 1 out of 4 ain't bad. Right?:

Adobe Systems: A Huge Upside in Creative Cloud

The Motley Fool Blog Network

As a side note. I am still very optimistic that all will work out eventually. I remember the same issues when CS 5 came about. Troublesome installations, apps crashing etc.. But man, they better get their act together quickly. It is frustrating to say the least.

Aliens from Another Planet are Really Behind Adobe Creative Cloud

The Internets are Currently Adobe's Enemy

The failed marketing and advertising campaign from Adobe regarding the simple explanation of the Creative Cloud is causing more noise than ever. Hearsay seems to be the culprit in most cases. The problem with hearsay is that it is exactly that, and not factual in most cases.

It is what we used to call the "jungle telephone". If one person told another person a simple thing, and was asked to pass it on, and then the same process was repeated again and again, well, we all know how gossip gets its own growth path of information.

Adobe is Run by Aliens?

If this is the case, and things keep going this way for Adobe... I think we will see some major conspiracy theories coming out about how Adobe plans to conquer the planet using their own embedded nano-hacks all while you rent this stuff from them. Hey! It has to get paid for somehow. But in reality, Adobe is run by beings from another planet and this is their method of implementing capitalism at its finest, and legal of course, all with the intent of taking over our little brains and turning us into their minions. Or something like that. Perhaps Adobe or ADOBE is an acronym in disguise. Alien Domination Organizing Brain Energy. Maybe not.

In any case, the "jungle telephone" is working really hard on the Internets and really needs to be quashed. Enough already! The misinformation, the misnomers, the quick jump to conclusions and worst of all, the worst excuses I have ever heard of "why not to do something" need to really go away now.

Yes, Adobe is a big company. Yes, Adobe needs to appease their share holders. And yes, Adobe is run by aliens. - Ah, I mean, don't mind that guy behind the curtain...




Update (06/25/13)

For more insight regarding the installation of plug-ins to the new CC versions:
Visit this cool info over at ToolFarm. You'll see, it's a snap really.

Can't wait to hear the commentary. :)

Adobe Creative Cloud Installation Issues and Solutions (Windows 7)

Installing Adobe Creative Cloud's Application Manager

If you subscribe to Adobe's Creative Cloud world, and you will sooner or later anyway, and you happen to run into some issues during installation, then you might want to read this. I will be posting resolutions to various issues as I run across them during the entire upgrade process of all my apps. Predominantly I focus on the Production Suite formerly known as CS6 Production Premium Suite, as that is where I am upgrading from.

The Infamous Adobe Application Manager - Install

This seems to be the "heart" of the Creative Cloud mechanism. Without AAM you can not install or use any apps from the ACC (love acronyms!). Of course it would also help if you actually owned a subscription as well. Yes, you can try it all out for 30 days if you wish to test everything first. But you still need to have login credentials to make even that work. So sign up one way or another. Otherwise what I will be writing about won't make any sense at all.

Once you have gone through the sign up process, upgrade process or whatever you want to call it, you will be prompted immediately to download the latest version of AAM. Even if you already have the CS6 version, you will get a new one. And this is where stuff may blow up on you. It has happened twice for me already. I first installed the AAM just a little of a week ago and it failed miserably, or so I thought. Then again today and once again, fail. The reason for yet another install today you ask? Updates! Yes, it was just 48 hours ago that Adobe released all new versions of their apps now named with a "CC" on the end. For example; instead of After Effects CS6, the new version is After Effects CC. And so the story begins...

Recovering Adobe Application Manager's Install Failure

Of course I am always weary when I get ambiguous messages along the lines of "installer failed to initialize blah blah". Come again? What? I always thought Adobe was bug free? Actually, this error seems to be quite common from what I have found, but no one posted a clean and concise fix for it. So I proceeded to once again do a "chat" thing. This is what I got (posted this on Facebook to keep all my fellow artists apprised):

So I am sitting in Adobe's support chat window now for at least ten minutes and this is what it keeps repeating: All representatives are actively assisting other customers. Your estimated wait time is 0 minute(s) and 47 second(s) or longer. Thank you for your patience.

Hey Adobe, I just want install the damn Applications Manager and it keeps bombing out! Creative Cloud? Yes, creatively clouding our minds...

Yes! After the prior experience, I wasn't expecting much this time around either as this was the message I got about every 5 minutes or so:

info: All representatives are actively assisting other customers.  Your estimated wait time is 0 minute(s) and 47 second(s) or longer.  Thank you for your patience.
info: All representatives are actively assisting other customers.  Your estimated wait time is 0 minute(s) and 47 second(s) or longer.  Thank you for your patience.
info: All representatives are actively assisting other customers.  Your estimated wait time is 0 minute(s) and 47 second(s) or longer.  Thank you for your patience.
info: All representatives are actively assisting other customers.  Your estimated wait time is 0 minute(s) and 47 second(s) or longer.  Thank you for your patience.
info: You are now chatting with 'Vijendra'



It obviously took a lot longer than 47 seconds to finally get going with an agent, but to my surprise, this agent knew exactly how to resolve the issue. Have a look and do the steps in the transcript if you encounter the same issue:

Vijendra: Thank you for the details.
Vijendra: May I know from where you downloaded Adobe Application Manager?
Andreas: creative cloud! Where else???
Vijendra: Please click here to download Adobe Application Manager.
Andreas: stand by..
Vijendra: Please download Adobe Application Manager from the above link and try installing.
Vijendra: Sure, I will stay online.
Andreas: almost there = stand by
Vijendra: Okay.
Andreas: extracting files now
Andreas: says it's updating
Vijendra: Okay.
Andreas: nope... installer failed to initialize blah blah... now it wants me to get the "support advisor"..
Vijendra: Okay.
Andreas: should I?
Vijendra: May I know if you are logged in as Administrator to the computer?
Andreas: I am
Andreas: It is inspecting now
Vijendra: May I know if you have a 32 bit or 64 bit operating system?
Andreas: 64 bit
Andreas: win 7
Vijendra: Please do not download Adobe Support advisor.
Andreas: ultimate
Andreas: 32 gb ram I7
Vijendra: Please navigate to C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe
Andreas: hang on please, the instpector is still working and now has come back with:
Andreas: cpsid_82829s1: "A restart is pending," bootstrapper error has occurred. Click here for details and corrective actions related to this issue.
Andreas: However this is not the case - no restart is pending
Vijendra: Please ignore the Support Advisor message, let us go ahead and try resolving the issue you have.
Andreas: System Information : Operating System = Windows 7 Ultimate Locale = en
Andreas: Yes please.. going to the directory now
Andreas: am there now
Vijendra: Inside Adobe folder do you have a folder called OOBE?
Andreas: yes
Vijendra: Please rename that folder to OOBEold.
Andreas: done
Vijendra: Now please go ahead and try installing Adobe Application Manager and check?
Andreas: stand by please
Andreas: okay - no error this time.. now what?
Andreas: shall I try to get an app from CC
Vijendra: Please go ahead and launch Adobe Application Manager.
Andreas: doing so now
Andreas: signing in.
Andreas: to adobe CC
Vijendra: Alright.
Andreas: accepted agreement
Andreas: voila! So cool.
Andreas: me happy.
Andreas: :)


Save your Support Chat Transcripts for Later Use!

 I referenced this again today to fix the upgrade failure. And yes, it worked again. So the moral of this story is:

1. Have faith. Sooner or later an agent will come into your chat session.
2. Email the transcript to yourself after you are done. This is of course a very cool feature (little button at the top of the chat session with Adobe) and might/will save you enormous time in the future when the same error or failure occurs.

Stay tuned for more fun with moving into the Creative Cloud.  

Maybe this is why Adobe is Losing its Loyal User Base...

UPDATE (yes, it's Monday!)

(Reading this part only makes sense if you read the part starting at "Confusion" first)
So after calling Adobe 3 times and programming my number in for them to call me back via their auto-return-your-call-so-you-don't-have-to-sit-on-hold-for-eternity feature, I think their phone system went berserk. Either that, or it doesn't like my magic jack phone number. In any case, the fourth time I called I decided to just sit on hold after it said "Hold times are 36 to 48 minutes". Oh well, the music was nice. NOT.

Finally I got a sweet voice on the other end. Explained the situation and within less than 3 minutes not only was I correctly signed up, confirmed that I had "real licences" and on top of that even got a better deal than expected - $19.95/mo for 12 months, instead of the advertised $29.95.

I also brought up the issue of their lame-ass chat (this was after we were all done of course, didn't want to booger up my chances). I was absolutely surprised to hear that they have heard that so many times, but Adobe won't do a damn thing about it. Turns out (no big surprise here) that on weekends, we actually chat with Adobe peeps in India. Of course seeing their chat names was my first clue. However, considering they are working for Adobe and were able to immediately tell me that I had "Volume License Numbers" either makes them pure liars or quite simply lazy asses that don't want to help at all. In either case, Adobe should take note and read just how bad their "offshore" subs really are!

Tell me again why American companies should dump the whole sending work offshore thing?


Confusion?

You bet! In the prior post I wrote a little about how bad Adobe is at explaining the logistics of the so-called "Creative Cloud". They neglected to explain or point out a few things in turn causing the deterrence or even scaring off potential customers that may or may not have been Adobe loyalists. I actually had a pretty positive attitude towards the whole concept, having pretty much understood it, until today.

Today was a special deal. I was literally going to use that "special" upgrade pricing to the "Cloud" as I am, and have been a legit owner of the Adobe Production Suite since CS4 all the way to today's CS6.... or so I thought.

Hell, I paid for my upgrades every year to the tune of $600 plus bucks and have receipts, transactions and serial numbers to prove it! I need to point out that I usually don't waste a lot of time dissing companies or really ever want to. But the incident today really got under my skin and made me wonder just how many others out there are getting the same lame results. If the answer is a lot, then it's no wonder that Adobe will and perhaps already is suffering from the backlash.

Adobe Disorganized and Inconsistent on their Offerings and Licensing

So I proceed to their "Creative Cloud" signup page thinking this should be a no-brainer. I registered each and every Adobe product and upgrade, so my account should be loaded with information. And... well, the only item it showed was Production Premium CS5.5 along with its license. Which according to the terms and conditions of the CC upgrade for such users as me, should qualify instantly for that $29.95/mo for a year deal.

I click okay after entering my credentials and the next thing Adobe's CC sign up mechanism does is show that it is researching my account for qualified product. It came back with "You do not have any products that qualify for this offer". WHAT? And in turn gives me a 30 day free trial instead. HELL NO! I shall not download, install or do anything at this point as I don't want to bugger up my existing CS6 install.

Customer DIS-service and Caveat Emptor

I figured at that moment that I will need to call Adobe on Monday (tomorrow) because they are only available on weekdays, and find out what the hell is going on? And why is my CS6 not listed under my account? And.... and.... and..  But my thoughts got interrupted when a button suddenly appeared that asked if I wanted to "chat" with a customer service representative now? So I thought to my self... do I really need to be typing all this now? I was concerned that it would be some neophyte rep that has no real answers anyway.... aw, what the heck... and then all hell broke loose. Unfortunately I was correct about the whole customer service neophyte thing. Just what I expected - a scripted no good for nothing portal of uselessness and more importantly; totally unhelpful! Oh but they did give me the phone number page to call tomorrow.

The Transcript

I am attaching the transcript of this most useless conversation, and most likely an hour of my life that I will never get back, to make a point. It shows first hand how useless and scripted these so-called customer service reps really are that Adobe seems to pride itself on. But  what's even worse? Have a look as the conversation progresses, at how lame sale tactics come into play as well as offerings that are nowhere to be found regarding the "Creative Cloud" for single user licenses. My guess is you will most likely also see just how annoyed I start getting after receiving lame-ass and totally useless repetitive boiler-plate responses. From what I know and to the best of my knowledge, I have been purchasing single user licenses since Production Suite CS4. After all, why would I buy a volume license when there is only me to use this stuff? All I can say is; "Adobe! Listen up! This is your front end and it looks really ugly from this side!" 

So here's the complete transcript as it went down today: I have blocked out the serial numbers as they are valid, just not in Adobe's eyes.... 

General Info
Chat start time	Jun 9, 2013 5:22:40 PM EST
Chat end time	Jun 9, 2013 6:13:55 PM EST
Duration (actual chatting time)	00:51:14
Operator	Gangmei

Chat Transcript

info: All representatives are actively assisting other customers. There are 1 customer(s) in line ahead of you. Thank you for your patience. info: You are now chatting with Ramakant_Soni. Ramakant_Soni: Thank you for contacting Adobe, this is Ramakant. Please give me a moment while I look into the details provided by you. Ramakant_Soni: Could you please elaborate your issue? Andy: My license is: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx  Andy: pro prem cs6 Andy: Production Premium CS6 - according to the terms of CC this shoudl qualify and it says it doesn't Andy: I shoudl be able to get the 29.95/mo deal for a year' Andy: Instead it set me up for the one month free.. bogus? Ramakant_Soni: Ok Andy: so now what? Ramakant_Soni: As I understand correctly, you want get discount for buying to Creative Cloud upgrade from your CS6 product, is that correct? Ramakant_Soni: *to get Andy: Yes... what part don't you understand????? Ramakant_Soni: Definitely I will assist you with this. Ramakant_Soni: May I please have your email address registered with Adobe? Andy: vader@vadervideo.com Ramakant_Soni: Thank you Andy: and for some reason my serial number won't take on my account. I purchased this through Toolfarm.com Ramakant_Soni: Ok Ramakant_Soni: One moment while I look up your customer record. Ramakant_Soni: As I can check in our record, it's a volume license product so I need to transfer this chat to our volume license department for the resolution. I request you to please be online while I am transferring this chat. Andy: No it's not... it is a single license from toolfarm.com - or is adobe and toolfarm a messed up situation? Ramakant_Soni: Are you talking about the same license (xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx, provide by you above)? Andy: yues Andy: yes Ramakant_Soni: I am sorry Andy, but this is not a retail license. It's a volume license. Andy: acTUALLY - LOOKS LIKE i GOT IT FROM aDOBE DIRECT AS IT WAS an upgrade from CS 5.5--- Andy: and I have a CS 5.5 registered online with adobe.. which also qualifies... this is total BS Ramakant_Soni: As I can check in our record, it's a volume license product so I need to transfer this chat to our volume license department for the resolution. Andy: here is my CS 5.5 xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx Andy: That's just bull Ramakant_Soni: Andy, I would like to inform you both serial number is for volume license. Ramakant_Soni: *numbers Ramakant_Soni: *are Andy: I spend a ton of money on adobe products and this is the service i get????? Andy: Why would I have a volume license when I am a single user?????? Andy: And this is why people are pissed off about the whole cloud thing.... Adobe can't even keep their serial numbers and licensing straight... I will blog about this on the boards of the stock exchange for sure! Ramakant_Soni: Andy, I am sorry for the inconvenience, but as I informed you these are volume volume licenses and for this issue I need to transfer this chat to our volume license team. Please let me transfer this chat for the resolution. Andy: Then get a damn manager on the phone with me now!!!!!! Andy: 520-xxx-xxxx (my number blocked from view) - I am going to raise holy hell on this issue! Andy: I spent multiple tranges of 600 bucks a year to keep upgraded and you are telling me this was all bogus.. I smell a llawsuit coming Ramakant_Soni: Andy, I am not denying for assistance. I just need to transfer this chat to our relevant team for your issue resolution. Andy: Get going then... I don't want to have people be passing the buck.. Andy: This better be the final person i speak with Ramakant_Soni: And I am sorry as we are from chat support so we can't contact you over the phone but you can contact to our voice support at Adobe Support and Customer Service 1800-833-6687 (Monday–Friday, 5am–7pm PST) Andy: get lost - I want this done now.. not tomorrow or this week.. Adobe seems to think we have all the time in the world to fix their screwups Ramakant_Soni: Ok Ramakant_Soni: Let me transfer this chat for the resolution now. Andy: I can't believe that this is happening... ADOBE ! Andy: I am losing faith really quickly here! Ramakant_Soni: Andy, could you please let me assist yourself? I have informed you that I just need to a transfer this chat quickly for the resolution. Andy: I'm waiting,,,,,,,,,,!!!! Ramakant_Soni: Thank you info: Please wait while I transfer the chat to the appropriate group. info: You are now chatting with Gangmei. Gangmei: Hello! Welcome to Adobe Customer Service. Gangmei: Hi Andy. Andy: yeah yeah... let me guess - I need to re-explain everything again? Andy: well? Gangmei: I understand that you are interested to purchase Adobe Creative Cloud for discounted price, am I correct ? Andy: Oh my god - is this the way it's gonna go down... I will explain one more time... I own valid licenses of Adopbe Prod SUite from Cs4 thru Cs6 - all I wanted to do is sign up for the CC under the dela at 29.95/mo ... but it seems the licensing is totally screwed up! Gangmei: Andy, the product serial number you have provided is for Volume Licensing Product. Please be informed the 29.99 plan is only for Retail version. Gangmei: Existing CS3 and above customers who have previously purchased any Creative Suite software through a volume licensing program are eligible to buy at the special price of $39.99 per user per month through Aug/2013. Andy: Okay what part don't you understand? I didn't buy a frickin volume licence - I am a single user and have only bought single user licenses and upgrades over the years!!!!!!! Andy: If what you say is true - then why does my adobe account show my cs 5.5 license?????? Andy: but it won't accept my cs6 Gangmei: The product serial number you have provided is for Volume Licensing Product, the 29.99 doesn't qualify for volume licensing customers. Andy: and why didn't your system pick up that license to start with!!!! Andy: this is bullshit! Andy: I am going to raise holy hell and blog about how screwed up Adobe really is when it comes to their licensing and tracking of customers!!!!!! Andy: I shall also get toolfarm involved and see if they wish to reconsider even dealing with Adobe anymore! Gangmei: Creative Cloud for teams is $69.99 per user per month (with an annual commitment). However, existing CS3 and above customers who have previously purchased any Creative Suite software through a volume licensing program are eligible to buy at the special price of $39.99 per user per month through Aug/2013. Andy: This is probably and exactly why the public is so pissed at adobe about the whole cloud thing. STOP THE BS MESSAGING.. I hear you, but that doesn't answer my quesiton of the how the hell I have a volume license as a single user??????? Gangmei: Could you please provide your Retail version serial number so that I can confirm and help you? Andy: cs 5.5 as per your site: Andy: xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx purchased May 12th, 2011 Andy: CS6 upgrade purchased last April (2012) xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx Andy: this was an upgrade through adobe.com, Andy: \!!!!!! Andy: Get it?????? Andy: CS 6 was purchased and downloaded on May 8th of 2012 Gangmei: Yes, please be informed, both the serial number you have provided is for Volume Licensing Product and it doesn't qualify for 29.99. You can either purchase Individual Adobe Creative Cloud which is priced 49.99 or purchase a Creative Cloud for teams introductory price of $39.99 for existing CS3 and above customers, whether you own suites or point products. Andy: and as said - I have owned since CS4 Gangmei: Please click here to view the information : Gangmei: http://www.adobe.com/store/en_us/popup/offer/ccm_complete_offer.html Andy: Boy are you not listening at all?????? what the hell is your problem and what part of I DONT OWN A VOLUME LICENSE don't you get????? Andy: How can I own a volume license as a single user - tell me that would you? Gangmei: Andy, I have checked with the serial number you have provided above and it has indicated as Volume Licensing Product which is business licensing product. Andy: SO you are basically telling me that you only know how to read a script - don't really have any method of figuring things out and ADOBE can not track their crap properly? Is that it? Andy: You can probably check till you're blue in the face.. so how does that help me??? Is Adobe really going down the tubes this severly???? Andy: Is there no reasonable person available that can think on their own and realize this may be a total screw up on the licensing side? Is Adobe that anti-customer service now? Andy: Is the only answer a regurgitated scripted answer that you copy and paste? Andy: Do Adobe reps not listen to details of information anymore - or basically just make it up in hopes that we simply give up and shove more money up Adobe's butt? Gangmei: If you still have doubt, you can contact your reseller and then confirm with them whether it is for Retail version or Volume licensing product. Gangmei: As an existing customer of Volume Licensing Product, you can purchase a Creative Cloud for teams introductory price of $39.99. Gangmei: I can transfer this chat to sales team if you are interested to purchase a Creative Cloud for teams introductory price of $39.99. Andy: This is the feeling I get... without a doubt.. you don't listen, you don't care and all you want to do is sell, sell sell even knowing you are trying to screww me!!!! Gangmei: May I transfer this chat to sales team ? Andy: Go away! I will file a complaint on Monday with corporate.. this is pure and utter bullshit! Gangmei: I am sorry, you felt that way. info: Your chat transcript will be sent to vader@vadervideo.com at the end of your chat. Gangmei: I want to assure you that Adobe does care for it's customers. Andy: Oh and by the way.. you better read the whole transcript... you will see how foolish your responses are - they will be posted on all social networks.. Andy: Really? You really expect me to believe that after your "canned" answers???? Andy: Nice try.. but when this hits the threads on the stock trading sites I think ADOBE will think again.. Gangmei: Andy, for more information, I would suggest you to contact our Sales Team so that you can get more information about the price for Adobe Creative Cloud. Andy: How useful.. my god. Gangmei: I will help you with a link to view phone number to contact our Sales Team via a phone. Gangmei: Please click here to view the phone number to contact our sales team : Gangmei: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/contact.html Andy: Why - they won't listen either as they are only interested in sales...oh no... perhaps I shall email this transcript to the CEO Andy: Let's see how he looks at this Andy: See ya later.. As I have to wait until Monday in any case, I shall make it a day of nailing Adobe. Andy: Wish you the best... no go away. info: Your chat transcript will be sent to vader@vadervideo.com at the end of your chat.